Monday, February 17, 2014

Question of the Week - 132

Should a player pay if they will only be NPCing an event?

15 comments:

  1. Depends. If there is a cost associated with NPCs (like a feast portion of the event), that seems reasonable. Otherwise, no.

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  2. ^ What Dave said, but I'd like to add on if they're Full-Time NPCs (for me).

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  3. Absolutely not. Covering cost is excellent but shouldn't be expected. NPCs should never pay so that you can cover an event site or food cost.

    If I'm throwing an event I take into account food water etc for NPC..

    Now there are exceptions if a nation is putting out an event as a whole members of said nation should want to help shoulder some of the coats. But they shouldn't charge an player not in the group for volunteering to help.

    It's hard enough for EHs to get a large staff, it's also hard to encourage players to NPC more and give back to the community.

    Charging NPCs discourages players that might have staffed your event.....

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  4. I agree with Syruss. If you are trying to get NPC's, you will want them to be encouraged to help, same goes for waitstaff for feasts etc... This is from a noob perspective (who in honesty has not yet NPC'ed but is planning on it soon), but I would not likely NPC for an event if I am asked to pay for it. That is just my opinion and feelings. That being said, NPCs (or PCs) should plan ahead and bring as much stuff as they can to limit their impact on the costs of the event (e.g. water, snacks, etc).

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  5. I think I agree with Dave here, in that there are times when it is appropriate to ask your NPCs to pay in the case of having a large food cost, low amount of time actually needed to NPC, etc.

    I think that the great part about this game is that it is community based, and that most EHs would prefer more people at their events. If any player cannot afford the cost of the event, I think most event holders would be amiable to working something out so that the player could participate at a cost that is within their means.

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  6. Why is it expected/ a badge of honor to loose money on events? Re this line "Covering cost is excellent but shouldn't be expected" from Syruss

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    1. Will its not a badge of honor to loose money from an event..But as the EH I have decided to put on a show for the community, doing so requires a good willing staff. Making NPC's pay for the event discourages that.
      But requiring NPCs to pay to cover expenses such as site, props, etc in my opinion is unnecessary.
      It should fall on the people running the event not the people volunteering to help.

      Again there are exceptions as I mentioned.

      Another exception is charging a part time partial for the event seeing how they only NPC for a part of the time.

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  7. As Dave said, i have no problem NPCing a feast and paying a hopefully reduced cost but I don't think i should have to pay to help you throw your event.

    That being said, if I've already paid and then volunteer to NPC if you're short staffed I probably won't ask for a refund.

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    1. Agreed...I would never ask for refund if asked no NPC after paying to play...... As a side not for EHs I don't mind NPCing if asked day of ;)

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  8. I don't think they should, even in feast events. As I find it a volunteering your labors situation, I believe staff costs should be factored into the financials of throwing the event (Like Cal said). Event holders throw events knowing there is a strong possibility of taking a loss, yet do it anyway out of love for the game. Encouraging volunteers to stand up with a "no cost to them in return for their labors" is a positive thing. If I am not mistaken, most NPC volunteers typically do much more than don a mask and sword. They're also tapped for other various necessary duties including clean up, set up, or anything else the EH may need of them.

    It is already noble enough of them to take their time to provide the necessary labor. They pay to get there, they pay for the meals that may not be provided by the EH, and some may pay in lost wages to take the time off to volunteer.

    I think we're still in the right place that we typically have many more events than other systems, at rates that are affordable (especially compared to some other systems). A game put on, and played by people who truly have a passion for the game itself. Event holders pay for, and throw events because they have a passion to do so. Players pay for events because they have a passion for playing their characters. NPC's do so out of passion for making the game work. I'd dare say volunteer marshal's equally important as NPCing. Any one of those factors removed, and the game ceases to function.

    TLDR: We need our volunteers, and I don't think they should pay for the privilege.

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  11. It is a hard balancing act.. Are they full time npc's are they also staff? A eventholder has to pay the event fees like portepotties, stie fees food etc... What we try and do is have X free slots for full time npc or staff, X free slots for marshals etc... But can eventholders afford for at lets say a 60 person event for 20 free slots and still pay all their fees and props? It is hard to come up with an equation for what is the ratio of free slots available and still be in the positive on funding.. I think Eventholders try an accommodate the needs for the people who need free slots and people in the community throw in and NPC weather or not they get in for free... Sometimes there are insensitive, might not be a free event but At TOC and Blackwood events there is a NPC raffle npc's get a ticket for npcing a night. They could win cool stuff... Also the NPC tokens I think Cheech started.. People cash them and sometimes get discounts or ingame perks for cashing them in.. I would like to see them more available for eventholders to use for rewarding npc's...So Should they be free?? In a perfect world "Spot" would pay for all the events and props and we would not have to charge anyone to come play but unfortunately he is retired from the game and we have to pay the event bills for said event.. If by some chance there is a profit then you can throw that $$ back into the next event and charge less or give more free slots.. But profits are rare...

    NON REALMS RELATED: I do a bunch of stuff with Scouts, cub scouts, Boy Scouts, Sea Scouts, venturing etc.. I have Staffed many functions, have been an instructor at many training etc.. although I "might" get a discount on some strange occasion I always have to pay something.. a Wood Badge class for a participant is $285 for 2 weekends// instructors $265..
    My questions for realms I guess is do you NPC or staff to get in for free or to make the event and or our community better? Eventholders and participants appreciate npc's/staff and marshals and always can use more but often cannot afford free slots.. Some sites from what I understand cost several thousand dollars to rent and that does not include props and or food and drink etc..When I first started playing I went through this same stuff I was asked to NPC and when I showed was asked to pay..."how dare they ask me to pay????" I was mad I get it...I did not understand all that went into events back then...Over 20+ years I think eventholders have evolved and try and accommodate help as best they can and reward them where they can ..

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